Why Baptists Cannot Unionize With Others

Why Baptists Cannot Unionize With Others

by Buell H. Kazee

In the first place, Baptists are unique, or they or nothing. That is, they are different. There is no point to their being just another denomination. If they can possibly unite with any other religious body, and  still remain true to the Bible, they ought to do it. A man ought not to be a Baptist unless the Word of God impels him to be. There is no point to our being separate, calling ourselves by another name, if we are not called of God to stand as no other people do. God is not the author of this present confusion of denominations, and, if Baptists did not exist long before there were any  denominations, they have no right to their claim.

To be honest, then, and consistent with our claims, we originated with John the Baptist and Jesus Christ, or we arose along with modern denominations. If the latter, then we cannot claim to be Scriptural, for the Lord had New Testament churches long before that. I do not mean that there has to be Apostolic succession. But I do insist that there must be Apostolic identity in experience, doctrine and practice. No religious group has any right to call itself a Scriptural church if it cannot identify itself with the apostles in experience, doctrine and practice. Baptists take the position that they can do this. If they can, logically, all who disagree with them are wrong.

We assume, therefore, that Baptists are right and can so identify themselves. Logically, then, all who disagreed with them in experience, fundamental doctrine and practice are wrong. (All who disagree with us ought to have this conviction about their position or give it up).

I would not say that others are not saved. There are, doubtless, in many denominations, those who are saved. But I definitely declare that all those who are saved were saved as Baptists were, and as they preach. In many cases they are saved in spite of their doctrine instead of by it. They are saved by the truth with Baptists teach.

Now, here comes a brother into my study, a pastor of another denomination who believes that we all ought to “get together.” He insists that I ought to attend his revival meeting and help them; that he would be glad to attend ours and help us.

Why couldn’t we all get together? I said, “Do you mean that?” “Yes,” he replied, “I certainly do.” I said, “Would you accept me as a member of your church?” To which he replied,

“Certainly.” “Just as I am?” I insisted. “Exactly!” he said. “Would you accept all the people in our church who are like me just as they are?” I continued. “Yes siree!” he answered. He was enthusiastic. Then I said, “Well, what is wrong with

us?” “Why, nothing,” he replied, “except that you hold yourselves aloof and won’t join in with the rest of us.”

Then I hit him the body blow. I said, “if there is nothing wrong with us as we are, and you would accept us as we are, why don’t you just bring your folks down and join us?”

“Yes, but,” he replied, “you would insist on our being baptized again.” “But you say you would accept us even though we hold to that belief,” I said. He was embarrassed. I continued, “We were here long before you were. You cannot date back more than a hundred years or so. We’ve established positive proof of apostolic antiquity. Why don’t you join us, if there is nothing wrong with us other than that we do not join you?”

He became a bit heated. “Yes, but you are unfair; you are trying to shut us out,” he said. “Not on your life,” I answered. “The door of our church is open to all who come professing faith in Jesus as Saviour and who will submit to baptism as a confession of that faith.”

That closed the door. Then he said, “But why can’t we come and take the Lord’s Supper with you?” I replied with the question: “Do you believe that baptism and the Lord’s Supper are church ordinances?” “Yes,” was the reply. Then said I,

“Why do you want one of our ordinances while you refuse the other?” This brought and end to the discussion.

I have recorded this conversation to show my reader where such logic leads to. The utter silliness of a man clinging to another denomination, contending that they are right and we are wrong, but at the same time wanted to have church

fellowship with us! Why doesn’t he give up the idea that he is right if he thinks we are all right? And if he doesn’t think we are right, why does he want to join us or have us join him?

Right here is all the reason Baptists need to keep them from unionizing with other denominations. The silly idea of telling somebody he is wrong but that just the same you will endorse him and fellowship him! Nobody has a right to claim allegiance to a denomination or church, then at the same time prostitute that allegiance by fellowshipping others. He ought to get in or get out.

The argument comes: “But we do not mean to have you Baptists join us. We just want you to come over and attend our services occasionally and join us in revival efforts.” To which I answer in the words of a good brother and friend of mine, “if I could fellowship another denomination or ‘church’ for one hour, I could, and ought to, for life. If I can justify a heresy for an hour, I ought to be willing to stick to it longer.”

Well, so much for the logic of the matter. It just will not stand.

But there is something more. Christians are made by experience. Churches are composed of Christians associated in experience; yes, but more, in expression. A church is not only to be something, it must also preach something.

Our common experience is our salvation,; the fact is in our souls. But in a church there must be common expression in doctrine and teaching about that salvation. We may have received a common experience from the Lord, but our

interpretation of that experience may differ. At least it seems so. I say I was saved through faith in Christ. The Campbellite

says he was saved by faith and baptism. Fact is, if he is saved at all, he was saved exactly as I was. But he differs with me on the interpretation of how he was saved. Granted that we have had a common experience, he or I one has erred in the directions we give to others of how to be saved. Whichever of us is wrong will doubtless lead many others astray and deceive them. It matters what a church preaches just as much as what the church is.

Now, if I am preaching that I was saved without baptism and he says he was saved by it, and each of us contends that his preachment is Scriptural, can I endorse his preaching and be faithful to what I believe the Bible teaches? Certainly not! I can no more endorse an heretical doctrine than I can an hereticalexperience. Baptist will disdain the heretical experience of the Pentecostals who claim to speak in tongues. They have no more right to endorse a heresy in doctrine than they do a heresy in experience. But you say, “You don’t have to endorse what they preach in other denominations, they just want you to have Christian fellowship with them.” I

reply that Christian fellowship is one thing, church fellowship is another. I can have Christian fellowship with anyone who has been born again and who is earnestly seeking the truth, but this fellowship is wholly on the ground of experience, not of interpretation and expression.

A church is more than fellowship in experience, it is a fellowship in doctrine and practice. It may be that we may find Christian fellowship on the basis of experience, but when we enter the realm of the church, we must require fellowship in doctrine and practice. Christians cannot differ on experience, but they may differ on the interpretation of that experience.

I cannot sit with another brother in the realm of church relationships without endorsing what he is preaching unless I am there to oppose it. So I said to the brother referred to above: “Here in my study, you can say you have been born

again. If so, I can talk with you in the spirit of a Christian and feel that attitude in you. This is Christian fellowship. But when I go over to your church and, by my presence and support of your meeting, acquiesce in what you are doing, I undeniably tell the public that I am supporting your views and recognizing your work to be according to the Word of God, This I cannot do. I must meet you, if at all, on the common ground of experience alone, not on the ground of church expression.”

 

SUMMARY

No man has any business joining any church unless he believes it to be identified with the churches found in the New Testament. If he has done this, there is no honest ground anywhere in the world where he can give approval of any kind to any other and be logical.

Anxiety by Pink

Anxiety

Arthur W. Pink (1886-1952)

“In nothing be anxious.” (Phil. 4:6, R.V.)

Worrying is as definitely forbidden as theft. This needs to be carefully pondered and definitely realized by us, so that we do not excuse it as an innocent infirmity. The more we are convicted of the sinfulness of anxiety, the sooner are we likely to perceive that it is most dishonoring to God, and strive against it (Heb 12:4). But how are we to strive against it?

First, by begging the Holy Spirit to grant us a deeper conviction of its enormity.

Second, by making it a subject of special and earnest prayer, that we may be delivered from this evil.

Third, by watching its beginning, and, as soon as we are conscious of harassment of mind, as soon as we detect the unbelieving thought, lift up our heart to God and ask Him for deliverance from it.

The best antidote for anxiety is frequent meditation upon God’s goodness, power, and sufficiency. When the saint can confidently realize “The Lord is my shepherd,” he must draw the conclusion, “I shall not want!” Immediately following our exhortation is, “But in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your request be made known unto God.” Nothing is too big and nothing is too little to spread before and cast upon the Lord. The “with thanksgiving” is most important, yet it is the point at which we most fail. It means that before we receive God’s answer, we thank Him for the same: it is the confidence of the child expecting his Father to be gracious.

“Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought [anxious concern] for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?…But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you” (Mat 6:25, 33).

Monumental Spiritual Attacks

The attacks on the Southern history and culture are not new.  These things happened before.   But what I find, as I am studying the Scriptures and reading books such as Christ in the Camp by J Williams Jones, this is very much a Spiritual battle.

The monuments and the men, or rather the character of the men that are under attack today were Christian men.  We do not claim them to be without fault, no man is, but they were by their actions and their words, very much servants of the Most High.

I would invite you to study these men.   Hear just a sampling of their words:

“Captain, my religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. Captain, that is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave.”  -General “Stonewall” Jackson

General Lee described himself as “nothing but a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone for salvation.”

The fight that is being fought against the South isn’t against the flag.  Its not about tearing down monuments.  And, time will tell I’m right about this.   They will not stop with Lee, Jackson, Davis, etc.   Others will and are being attacked now.   Our Christian heritage is being attacked from angles.

Are you going to stand?

“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls…”  (Jeremiah 6:16a)

 

Emergency Surgery

“Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases…” (Psalm 103:1-3).

I woke up this past Lord’s Day (June 4) in a LOT of pain in my abdomen. I thought maybe it was a kidney stone.  I was really trying to get ready for church services but the pain just kept getting worse. So, after a while and my wife convinced men to, I decided to go to the ER instead of church.   We went to Avita Emergency Room which is located at the Richland Mall in Ontario OH. They took me in right away, ran a few tests and determined my problem was appendicitis! Right away they prepped me for surgery to have my appendix removed!

The surgery went well, praise the Lord.  I am amazed that the incision is small and they sent me home the same day. The recovery is gonna be a number of days and I’m still in pain but thankful for God’s goodness to me.  Please keep me in your prayers.

Last Man Standing

“Last Man Standing” is being cancelled from ABC, even though the hit comedy is very popular.   While I don’t watch a lot of tv, I do enjoy the show.   Tim Allen was always a favorite of mine growing up.  (Who else remembers Home Improvement?).  His show is one of the few with conservative values.    Notice the following clip:

I think we need to remember that all media is educational…  Depending on the program depends on what is the education.  And the powers that be are telling us what kind of education they want.  An education that is godless.

20th Century Fox is reportedly looking for a new home for the popular show.   Pureflix posted that they are interested in it, which I think would be great!

Stone That Cannot Be Moved.

“Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces….”  (Daniel 2:34)

I am awake this evening watching yet another monument being removed from New Orleans.  Now, I just want to say that I have never been to New Orleans, nor was it on my list of places I wanted to go to.   However, I think the removal of the monuments there are a mistake.   If the monuments and historical markers that certain groups find offensive are removed, would there be any left?   History is supposed to show us the good, bad and the ugly of what has happened.  Let them be.

I have seen some magnificent monuments in this country to various individuals. Whether in Washington DC, Memphis, or Richmond, these all tell a story of our past.  The stones they were carved from is beautiful and my family and I enjoy learning from them.   Yes, that’s right, the best education is, a lot of times, outside the pages of a textbook.

The powers that be may try to erase our past.  They may take down some monuments that are over 100 years old.  And, though the cowards wearing masks backed by their mayor may have taken down some monuments in the south, I am here to tell you there is a Stone that will NEVER be removed.

His name is Jesus.   The only hope we have.

“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.   Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”   (Acts 4:10-12)

While the hostile removal of our history makes my blood boil, I’m resting tonight in the blessed Rock of Ages.   How about you?

Education: Does God Have An Opinion

I just finished reading Education: Does God Have An Opinion by Israel Wayne, published by Master Books.   The book is divided up into two parts.  The first, he calls “The Apologetic,” in which he deals with establishing a truly Biblical philosophy of education.  The second part, is what he calls “The Core Subjects,” is all about applying a Biblical worldview consistently to all areas of education, from science to history, from mathematics to logic, from philosophy to language arts, and everything in between!

God has a lot to say about education in His Word.   And by far, Education: Does God Have An Opinion is the best book I have read on the subject.  Mr Wayne lays it out there Scripturally.  His argument is sound and logical, standing on the firm foundation of God’s Word.   His approach to the core subjects will bring new life to your way of thinking.   And his use of Scriptures makes the study exciting.  This isn’t Wayne’s opinion he is writing about, it’s God’s.

The book tackles subjects such as sports, socialization, public schools, academics, and a host of other issues that parents often have questions or concerns about.   This is a “must have” for every family library, as well as every church library, and if I had the money to make it happen, I’d buy them myself!

Here’s a video from Mr Wayne about his book:

 

Teach Them Diligently Sandusky

Back in October, I wrote that I had never been to a homeschool convention.  Well as of April 20, that has changed.  My wife and I, along with our two oldest children went to the Teach Them Diligently Homeschool Convention, and wow what a great time it was!

Two things we didn’t know (but figured out real quick) was that with multiple speakers speaking at the same time (in different rooms), sometimes it was hard to choose which one to hear.   So, sometimes we both attended a session and other times my wife and I split up so and agreed to share our notes later.

We also didn’t plan for meals.  I think next time we will pack some sandwiches.   We had stayed at the Comfort Inn, which was only 1 mile away from the convention so it wasn’t too bad going to and from the room.  And there were plenty of restaurants close by.  But still, having that sandwich might have saved a bit on money and time!

It would be impossible for me to list everything I loved about the convention.  But, here’s what would top the list:

  • Jesus Christ was the central theme of the convention.  (This was a Christian event).
  • The speakers all had well thought out topics.  They spoke truth and encouragement.
  • I was challenged and learned a lot.

Here’s some of my favorite quotes and takeaways:

Submit to the authority of God’s Word (see James 4:7). You may read it, study it, even have respect for it, but are you submitted? Steve Scheibner on the subject of “Second Mile Leadership: The 9 Essential Practices of Character”

Learn to be encouragers (those who inspire courage) rather than discourage (take away courage)! – Israel Wayne  “The Power of Affirmation (to Motivate Reluctant Students”

Academics cannot be the god of our Homeschool. We must not neglect the hearts of our children! – Jeannie Fulbright

“Tis better for God to approve than the world applaud.” -Robin Heltzer.

“Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.” (Proverbs 4:23). Purity is about the condition of the heart. –  Jennie Bishop speaking on “Raising Pure Boys in a Dirty World.”

“The best education comes from the one who cares the most.” Israel Wayne“What About Socialization?”

God has called us to lead our families. Recognize it and lead or don’t and suffer the consequences. -Mike Donnelly, HSLDA.

“No subject is religiously neutral. Education begins with either the idea that God exists or the He does not exist.”   Israel Wayne on  “Education: Does God Have An Opinion.”

 

I have pages and pages of notes.   I was challenged as well as encouraged to be a better dad, husband, and teacher as we devote our lives to serve the Lord and be obedient to His Word.

Lord willing, we will be going to the convention next year.  This may have been our first, but I pray it won’t be our last!

 

NRA Life Membership

I am now a “life member” of the NRA.   Some several years ago, I signed up for what they called “easy pay life” and sent $25 a quarter to them.   I don’t always agree with the National Rifle Association, but I do figure it this way:  If it weren’t for them, the right to keep and bear arms in this country would not still be here.   Thank God for  the work that has been done, and let us not stop now.

Teach Them Diligently

I have never been to a homeschool convention, which I suppose is relatively odd.  I am a homeschool graduate.  My wife and I homeschool our kids (the oldest is 12).   And we have friends who homeschool.

We have friends who have gone to homeschool conventions!  But we never have.

Lord willing, that’s about to change.   I signed us up for the Sandusky Ohio Teach Them Diligently Conference in April 2017.

If you are are interested or want more information, use this link http://ssqt.co/mcb8IV7 and save $5.

Hope you can go too.  And if you are in Ohio I will see you in Sandusky!